This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. below are samples of Proof Marks of different countries. View Models. The top of the barrel is marked, " Connecticut Valley Arms-Made in Italy". 0000009076 00000 n
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Serial Number: 12150. Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. It is not clear to me when firearms by Italian manufacturers other than Beretta began to be marked with date codes - it may have been as late as 1954, with the Roman numeral X. Update: (This was originally posted in 2006.) 0000055241 00000 n
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The PN stamp means "poudre noir" or black powder proof. FEMALE PEOPLE, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, OOWSS, Umpqua Regulators, Siuslaw River Rangers, RUCAS, Jefferson State Regulators, Klamath Cowboys, Wolverton Mt. The year of and an eagles head. Bookmark 0000036564 00000 n
They went from BU to BZ 2004-05. Quick View Add to Cart . So, what follows is a photo library of many of the various Black Powder Proofmarks, Date Codes, Importer, Distributor and Manufacturer's Marks to help with identifying the manufacturer of your revolvers, pistols or rifles. 0000099401 00000 n
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Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. It is possible that these shops did not have an Italian firearms manufacturers license and could not sell their products direct, so they were sold through other manufacturers who had a license. 0000109588 00000 n
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Again, thank you Their proof marks are two feathers, or curved branches, crossed with letters in the angles of the cross so formed. 0000008871 00000 n
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I have searched for this site but can't find it. The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. 0000062418 00000 n
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Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers name or logo. 0000131632 00000 n
Yours may be an example. Taking the bbl off is the first thing I did - there are no markings on the underside anywhere. Many Italian made reproduction cap and ball firearms retail used in the $40 to $150 range. 0000003341 00000 n
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An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. Many old guns may have been re-proved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. EMF's Great Western II single action revolvers and Hartford model percussion pistols are manufactured by F.A.P F.LLI. SKU: FRS18511. "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over 0000009831 00000 n
From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . 1992 = BB. BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. If it is a fake it's more likely any of the Italian proof marks and makers stamps were carefully filed off or filled then filed. Italian firearms date year of proof codes. Revolvers are marked on barrel, on the frame, and on each chamber.
Seen on repaired guns that required re=proofing. A proof load normally runs 30% more pressure than its corresponding service load, not 30% more powder. 0000006039 00000 n
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Large quantity of surplus guns and exotic guns, 155MM HE 107 Full Zone 8 Charge with Electronic Fuze, BA 312 Semi-Auto Magazine Tube Tactical Shotgun, BA 912 Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto (2 Different Mold). this location now so you can return often. 1989 = AU. 0000076880 00000 n
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Testing the gun Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. weapon. 0000003020 00000 n
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Genuine Parker-Hale barrel markings - roll marks and proof stamps, A Comparison: The Zouave and the Mississippi, This is from the Colorado State Muzzle Loading Association [cont], This is from the Colorado State Muzzle Loading Association Journal. The hammer also wont engage the safety notches (too wide). Italian Gun Manufactures Proof Marks & Dates 41 2 comments Best Add a Comment csaduck 4 yr. ago Many of us have Italian guns that were not quite sure of the date of manufacture, this is a list I got a few years ago (2003) and hope it helps out. 0000097375 00000 n
You can choose to work with makers from Italy directly or contact distributors for a more varied assortment. THE AMERICAN SPIRIT. 0000003674 00000 n
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The cylinder is marked with the Gardone and black powder proof marks and displays a reproduction of the 1843 Navel battle scene typically found on Colt C1860 Army revolvers. Prior to 1954, the year of proof was indicated in full Arabic numerals. Price: $380.00. PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>>
1946 = 2. 1810 -> Liege. 1891 - present 16 Weekly . 2: A re-bored rifle. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1852 Belgium provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns and rifled barrels - - double proof marking for unfurnished . Thanks, Claude. . 0000069587 00000 n
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Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 0000004123 00000 n
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for exports be able towithstand a proscribed load without damage. The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. 0000051711 00000 n
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Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030 By Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire Start new topic Posted December 20, 2013 Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date) This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm Condition Grading Definitions For Antique Firearms, This website may not xb``b``` @16
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A picture of your revolver uploaded from your files would provide the other clues as to what specific model you have. AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. 0000052647 00000 n
Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. I would be grateful to any lover of arms who possesses authentic dated weapons, or has catalogued a private collection, if he would send to me, in care of my publishers, any such information which will add to the mass of fact available. 0000002933 00000 n
1967 = XXIII. Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. 0000003744 00000 n
1810 - 1853. 1858 New Army Revolvers. . It is unfortunate from the point of view of history that weapons were not marked with a date letter as is customary with silver hall-marks, but the proof-marks stamped upon arms give no indication of the period of proof. And with these symbols and date codes, we can usually track down who actually made the firearm. Yk1wJuYdBY"dS
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Established in 1960 by Knight Giuseppe Pietta, the company first entered the world of gun-making by producing hunting guns, including side-by-side and over and under shotguns. 1946 = 2. 0000077398 00000 n
Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. 1968 = XXIV. Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. Worldwide Logistics for all your products. 0000005702 00000 n
1967 = XXIII. In 1849 the additional ciphers for provisional proof the letters E.L. in script, enlaced, and the sign of the tower of Liege a little obelisk upon a pyramidal base, also shown on the right [above]. 1970 = XXVI. It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. The "not all revolvers are proofed" is unverified since nobody is willing to admit this. I cant seem to find the exact one any where. Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels.
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In 1888 it was decided by a joint meeting of the Gunmakers Company and the Birmingham Guardians that a new supplementary proof for smokeless powder should be instituted in 1893, 1896, and 1904; the rules were further adjusted to allow for new powders. They are often found in combination with proof-marks, and still more frequently on unproved arms made in countries where no official proof was existent. My wife and grand kids and my kids. Navy Model Right side -- Black Powder Only -- Made In Italy Bottom flat -- "BFB" (manufacturer's mark) Caliber -- 36 (.380 round ball) The history of some of these makers and importers are no longer available due to lost records. The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. Thanks for your help. <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>>
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Misc. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. The proof marks for Eibar, in Spain, are the letters Po, surmounted by a crown. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. Of course, the date stamp is not on the barrel or cylinder, but the other marks are. 0000087569 00000 n
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1: A true smoothbore rifle. I'd bet that CE was skipped as well (as are all "G" combos). 0000147394 00000 n
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You are using an out of date browser. The two upper case letters or roman numerals in a box is the code for the year the firearm was proofed. ALL CAN BE SEEN IN THE P. on Jan 23, 2018. xref
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DGG with backwards C with looks to be 58 after it under the barrel. cases. It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. All photos published on this site are the property of the author or are published with the permission of the authors. 0000046756 00000 n
Originally evolved by the armourers themselves, the system of proof was in nearly every arms-producing country taken over by the Municipality or the State, who imposed a series of stringent by-laws and penalties on any who sought to evade the prescribed tests. 0000037574 00000 n
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A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. Action Type: Percussion Black Powder Revolver. 0000010518 00000 n
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