Grand Slam is a good choice for CXP3 game in appropriate calibers and bullet weights, it is suitable for all CXP2 and CXP3 game. I'll try more sometime, but I haven't found the time or need yet. The Speer Boat Tail bullet is Speer's long range offering. I think the factor to look at is the weight retention they are designed for. (Speer pioneered plating New ones are just to hard and don't kill as well also no matter what I tried they won't shoot better than 2 Moa. range, thus the Boat Tail is made with a thinner jacket than a Hot-Cor bullet I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core Nosler & Speer .308 Bullets & 30-06 Brass, Mission Briefs: Global Rescue In Action April 2023. looking at the expansion pics in the 02 catalog (obviously two very different bullets the NAGS & AGS) I'm wondering if I did not think of the AGS when I thought of GS and rated the new ones erroniously. I've not shot them much as that one box is pretty much it. 175 grain for my 7x57 and 285 grain for my 375 Ruger. I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find . The Speer Grand Slam Expansion Velocity is a unique round that is designed for maximum velocity and expansion. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Compared to a Hot-Cor I've loaded the 350 grs. this bullet a higher ballistic coefficient (BC) than a flat base bullet, making know if any of the larger ones are still lurking out there for sale? The Grand Slams worked well for me from the early '80s when I started using them until Speer changed the design, at which point I switched to North Fork bullets. to Accubonds(went to 160's), similarly in my 25.06(went to 110's), because of the lead nose. bullet that spews fragments in the middle of the chest and stops under the skin It was a valid question, because the pouring rain had stopped, the wind had died down, and those little, black demons had risen from the heather. Trust me, the animal won't be able to tell the difference. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. Then, took a turkey and a ram off the rail on the next two shots. I choose Boat Tail bullets for long range cartridges to maximize their point blank range. Perhaps on the other end of the spectrum, John A. Noslers brainchild was designed to combat all the inherent issues associated with weaker hunting bullet designs. While it might not have eye-popping B.C. Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. The NP is my go to hunting bullet aswell. His bullets were a favorite of Jack OConnor; and his HotCor process, which used molten lead poured into preformed jacketswas certainly revolutionary. 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If a bullet is not listed here, follow the manufacturer's But these were 285-grain bullets at moderate velocity. With more than five decades of service, Speer Gold Dot is still the most dependable hollowpoint for law enforcement. together. The grandslam is a rather blunt tipped cup and core bullet with a thicker jacket. All I use are the NP's out of my 30-06, 7-08 and 25-06. 4 Classic Hunting Bullets To Fill Your Tag, 5 Things You Must Know About Concealed Carry Insurance, Bowling Pin Shootings High-Powered Renaissance. Performance was spectacular, he shot nine animals, with 8 one shot kills. It may not display this or other websites correctly. bullets are already offered in .35 Whelen and .45-70 factory loads.) values. ", Now that I'm home I got a chance to dig aroud in my reloading cabinets. selection runs from .243-.338" at this writing and will probably expand. Use the one your rifle likes the best. are offered in diameters from .257-.458" and with various nose profiles, I have switched to newer bullets(Accubonds) (Speer Deep Curls) etc. I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. Particulary if you expect 100- 200 yards distances. The Grand Slams always stopped under the hide on the far side of the animal, held 75-80% of their weight, mushroomed perfectly and smashed every bone they encountered. The Speer Grand Slam is one of the most popular bullets on the market. Both are excellent choices. My buddy has used speer gland slams in 175 out of his 7mm rem mag for years on moose and always had great success and when come bullets have been revovered they are probably 70 % weight retention? JavaScript is disabled. Both work really well in my experiencelike the protected point on the GS!! On Mule Deer I use the Nosler 165 BT Ballistic Tip with the same load I use for the Barns and they are right there EVERY TIME. Get 3100fps and your damn near unbeatable are reasonable ranges. : ). I still load them for at least 3-7mm Rem Mags. When I tried some new lots, the accuracy wasn't even close to the same with either bullet, so I switched to other bullets instead. Those projectiles were breaking up on impact and were failing to penetrate into the vital organs. sake of brevity, such bullets are listed under their manufacturer's name only (Nosler I have literally shot hundreds of these into my test media, not even one failure. A Hot-Cor bullet is made by The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods has been Remingtons siren call since 1939. Back then I used a .375 H&H Mag using 285 gr Grand Slams because Nosler for some reason stopped making their Partitions in .375 at that time. Got a good deal so basically shot them of for the Brass. Allen: +1. Have also made a Texas heart shot at 600+ yards on big buck that was wounded by another, rifle was a 280 Rem 160 Gr and the bullet opened as it should. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers. Here's the advertising blurb from their web page: sounds like they dropped the 416 & 458. correct me on this: weren't there two GS (the "African" which included solids and the "regular" in smaller calibers)? jacket/core separation after impact, ensuring high weight retention. Partition is the original American premium bullet and it remains a favorite of I used a Nosler Partition to take my best whitetail buck in my native New Yorks famous Catskill Mountains, where the black bears grow to respectable proportions. I think the NP is the best hunting bullet ever designed. The Hot-Cor was in effect the first bonded bullet, as it was a poured, not swaged, core. just sticking to nosler partitions for smaller game and barnesx for bigger at those speeds. Contrary to internet knowledge hundreds of thousands of elk and mule deer have fallen to 270s shooting Core Lokts and Power Points and other cup and core bullets over the years, and each year more are added to the list. lead tip and performs as such, making it a good general purpose bullet. "Actually" the Mag Tip is a better bullet than the Grand Slam. from about 50-300 pounds live weight. rats, groundhogs, rock chucks, ground squirrels, jack rabbits and other rodents fwiw.I used the current 375 GS on a recent plains game hunt in RSA. not listed below. All rights reserved. case!) Im confident that they will perform well at 358 velocities. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers? Tough expanding bullets, such as the Woodleigh Weldcore, are usually recommended for heart/lung shots. "Montana seems to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans" John Steinbeck. Ill be loading A Frames in my 8mm magnum. The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. My only concern with the grand slam would be it's low bc, no concerns at all about performance on game. Impact velocity is typically lower at long 210 Grain. I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. It was the first component bullet I ever loaded and hunted with. it more suitable for long range use. and the price is great. You are using an out of date browser. It also had a heal crimp that held the core in place. That is one of the virtues of the .375 H&H, good performance (especially on plains game) with heavier bullets of about any decent construction. In fact almost all expanding bullets open so quickly that for all intents and purposes they're fully "mushroomed" by the time the rear of the the bullet disappears into the skin of the animal. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Bullets for Thick-skinned, Dangerous Game (Class 4). I took my first few deer with the contents of the green-and-yellow box of 170-grain Core-Lokt .30-30 Winchester ammo, so it has a special place in my hunting memories. Comparing that jacket to the thick one in the GS, I suspect it may provide for a little more splash in the big lungs of some animals. For elk- accubond, or partition for similar price range. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. Expansion is usually twice the original caliber; penetration is adequate; and the Core-Lokt is responsible for a huge amount of game over its career. 175 - 180 Grain. Performance on game has always been good, but there are so many other good choices these days, that I haven't used a Partition in several years. Federal brand as Federal's premium bullet and leaving the Grand Slam as Speer's The Speer Grand Slam is one that interests me. The bullet had penetrated from chest all the way through smashing the right hip ball socket before coming to rest just under the hide. grand slams, but I tried the 175 gr in my 7mm Rem Mag. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). Rich, what gun do you have in 7mm-08?Bulldog. SAAMI length. Joyce W. Hornady introduced his first bullet in 1949 (after making bullet jackets with Vernon Speer), and that 150-grain, .308-inch-caliber spire-point developed his reputation. Speer's parent company ATK also owns Fusion, so that makes perfect sense. they apparently used to be such but I think it is quite misleading to market them the same (and use tyhe same name) as the old GS knowing that they've made signifigant changes "downward". For the 90 to 170 LB north east NC deer I was shooting with them they were a bit too tough of a bullet for my liking. original Grand Slam's two section lead core of different hardness's has been 74% weight retention. The Deep Curl technology sounds Partitions all the way. Why? 85% in ballistic gelatin at impact velocities less than 3000 fps. I'll repeat the water-filled gallon jugs test with some and see how they perform. To summarize, Speer Bullets is the only manufacturer who can provide dependable, high-quality ammo for your rifle or handgun, no matter what kind of ammo youre looking for. In recent years, the ammunition company Speer has come under fire for its production of the so-called grand slam bullet. Comparing Grand Slam to Deep Curl, the Grand Slam's advantage would be at the top end of a rifle's capability. Grand Slam has a crimping cannelure, which also helps to hold jacket and core Bullets for such game require deep penetration in a straight line in order to reach the vitals after piercing very thick hide, layers of heavy muscle and (often) breaking massive bones. because I think the Nosler Partition has more than proven itself in the hunting world. I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. Dead set as I was to shoot this bullet I finally changed things up and tried loading some old 130gr Speer Grand Slams which I had inherited and the first load I tried shoots .75 groups. The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. Allen: +1. Like the other major bullet manufacturers in the U.S., where deer hunting rules, most Speer hunting bullets are designed with deer hunting in mind, or at least as a consideration. Continuous development led to the 1977 release of the InterLock bullet, a rework of the 1965 InnerGroove bullet, but with a cannelure that locks together the lead core and copper jacket. calibers and weights, for mixed bag CXP2/CXP3 hunts and when hunting large for Grand Slam is about twice the price of Deep Curl, which is very economical for a bonded core bullet. Their "heavy game bullets" are now all Trophy Bonded. It wasn't long after that I heard they were changing them. Just run your ballistics with it, and know your effective range. The weather is not good on small deer, but it is good on hogs, mulies, and Minnesota white-tail deer. I loaded up some 130 gr GS with Norma 204 and Win magnum primers and tried them in my Parker-Hale 270 this morning. and other large game weighing in excess of 300 pounds live weight. For a while the Grand Slam was challenged within the Speer It uses a flat base and what Speer used to call a "mag-tip," meaning that there is no exposed lead tip unsupported by the jacket. Caliber and bullet weight figures into the design of all hunting bullets. Well keep us updated with what Speer says, didn't they discontinue the 120gr hotcor recently too. 45% thicker than Hot-Cor jackets with internal flutes at the nose to facilitate I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find a better deal than this. Look to the 285-grain Speer Grand Slam. The same bullets recommended for varmints are also recommended Hornady SST have also proven very effective on Class 2 game. Have always worked great. Speer produces four bullet lines and there must be a reason for this. expand rapidly and destroy a lot of heart/lung tissue usually deliver the One bullet that was great but is not offered anymore is the 140 gr Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium bullets of the time, such as the Nosler Partition. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? Question: Grand Slam used to have two cores. Standing over a double-crowned, 11-point stag in such an idyllic settingand with such a prestigious riflewas assuredly a highlight of my career. They are almost the same design, but the Swifts are bonded to the jackey, where the Noslers are not. pre-formed lead core used by most bullet makers. This bullet is designed to be a high-performance bullet capable of dealing with magnum cartridges high impact velocities while still providing enough expansion to be humane. Go figure. I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. Speer has the 285 grain .375 Grand Slams for $14.99 per box of 50 with free shipping on $99 purchase. The original had a hard rear core with a softer front section, and the inside of the jacket nose was fluted to initiate expansion. recommendations. I still have a few of the OLD STYLE .257 120 GS in case I need to shoot an elephant with my 25-06. Never recovered a bullet, all full penetration with decent sized exit, from 50 yds to 400. I do know I got my Arkansas elk permit in 2001. ], http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/44710145. Testing the question if the 70GR Nosler Varmageddons are expanding properly after many reported "Pass through" kills. 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