2012-14. Having the weight directly above the scale is more sensible. People upgrading or cleaning out a garage may just be trying to get rid of the boat rather than recoup much money. See photo. I just found one error in the "Boats By Year" PDF as it states the only KL Sunrunner was in '94 however all catalogs (94-97) list the KL version. I've got a Kevlar Explorer - there is a KA suffix on mine and it does have the Airex foam layers, which reinforces that idea. They stock many canoe parts and are knowledgeable about Mad River Canoes. *Prices shown are manufacturer suggested retail prices, including taxes. No wood rot. See and review all Mad River canoes here. Recently picked this beauty up for a song. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (fairfield) Mad River Sunrunner Canoe: Asking $1250.00 / Best OfferFiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. Completely agreed that plastic end caps are hokey however very practical if this thing will be used as a tripper. BTW, I use the term geek quite fondly! I am curious about the "A" appended to the end of the HIN. Old Town makes wide, stable polyethylene canoes for solo and tandem paddling. Took some photos this AM but have yet to compare with the info shown in the '94 catalog provided to me by customer service. This canoe has provenitself time and again on trips I have taken in canada, maine, n.h. vt. and the Old Town Camper - 15 and 36" wide - the only photo in the ad, Im sure youll receive several opinions on these models and Im happy to add my two cents. Introducing the new Explorer 16. There is room for it to be longer so maybe I will start with that and go from there. I am trying to contact the person who posted the ad. It may be a little lighter than the Camper but Id expect it to be in the low 50s. The "Boats By Year" guide was made at least as late as 2011 so this could make sense. Beautiful work Micah! by openboat Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:05 pm, Post As of yesterday I had convinced myself this was a kevlar boat judging by how the weight felt as I shouldered it a number of times and put it on the truck. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe Asking 1250.00 Best OfferFiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. The "Boats By Year" guide was made at least as late as 2011 so this could make sense. The cboats discussion speaks of kevlar airex boats having a raised football-shape on the floor which this doessort of. (all the Campers Ive seen had flat web or cane seats), OT Discovery 174 - tough and durable but too heavy. The KA at the end does not count. I realize this thread is at least 4 years old, but I am a new comer to the forum who found this thread to be the closest thing to helping me decipher the serial number to a new/old canoe I just bought used. Mad River Explorer 16 Canoe. Just kidding They are focusing resources on two of their other brands, Perception and Wilderness Systems, to meet the surging demand for kayaks. Canoes from companies that have been around for decades, like Mad River, will periodically make their way onto used listings. We want to replace the original seats with ash/webbing seats as the cane is badly broken in both seats. Mad River Canoe's Explorer 16 Length: 16 ft 3 in Width: 35 in Depth: 15 in Weight: 44 lbs Capacity: 1,100 lbs MSRP: $3,399 USD / $4,349 CAD madrivercanoe.com. The three brands are Old Town, Wenonah and Mad River that would fit our needs. id old mad riverMAD99584M80G-K 18 foot wicker seats with backs. The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. It was conceived as a replacement for Royalex, long considered the gold standard for bombproof canoes. We operate 7 days a week fro 1981 Mad River Canoe T.W. 3/26 . They have a broad appeal, so youll find Mad River canoes on Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, Kijiji or other local classifieds pages. TB, Hey RobWhat can you tell me about my boat. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. MadRiver was trying to compete against Sawyer and Wenonah in . Also, FYI I just sent Confluence scans of my 1976 and 1977 MRC catalogs which I recently located. Still on the fence with what to do Micah, you should keep it and use it! Planned to take it outside for some glamor shots but this weekend has been absurdly hot and humid. You can take it for a week-long backcountry adventure or a float down a local river with your family. Mad River - Freedom Canoe. For day trips a 16 foot canoe is fine, maybe even 15 feet. Would be nice to get some glamor shots prior to mucking it up with a bright red sticker. Mad River's Northwoods was that 17'6" canoe that MRC has struggled with for years trying to find the right combination. ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene) plastic layers encase both sides of the foam to protect it and add stiffness to the shape. Here's the link to the Ed's cane repair kit. Personally dont like to deal with the upkeep of wood gunwales, but some folks love the natural feel and enjoy the craft of maintaining them. 3/4 . The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. If I could only pick from these five and based on how you intend to use it, Id lean toward the OT Camper. Im tempted to pop over from SW Michigan to buy it just on principle. Well, it is done enough for now. I have read up on each individually and for general use they all seem good, but looking for opinions as the material and weight likely differ and it is hard to know exactly the weight due to the variations of models over the years and lengths 15 to 18 feet. The number is MAD1766M84B-KA. columbia, MO. If the boat has been sitting they are likely to be very dry and tear the first time you sit on them. Granted my HIIN states '94 but??? Many models have been phased in and out through the years, and recently theyve focused on three canoe models: the Adventure, Explorer and Journey. sounds like leisurely day trips are the intended use, boat weight can be a factor as we get older. No wood rot. 2/27 . Mad River Sunrunner Canoe: Asking $1250.00 / Best Offer Fiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. But youd want to make sure you had calm conditions for going onto the Wisconsin. Thanks so much gents for your input. With regular webbed seats the (symmetric) Camper can be paddled backwards from the bow seat for solo use. It turns out the Sunrunner is a great boat for touring midwestern rivers and lakes. It appears there is even a kneeling thwart just aft of the yoke for when you want to solo it. OT Camper 15 by pblanc Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:51 pm, Post Reading reviews provides the insight you wouldnt get otherwise. Prices and availability may vary between country and retailers due to VAT and other taxes. columbia, MO boats - by owner "canoes" - craigslist. No ribs however. Its light for a Royalex boat at 57 pounds if the manufacturer specs can be trusted. No wood rot. post. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. Excited to get a second opinion. Quebec-based canoe manufacturer Esquif produces T-Formex and builds this iteration of the Explorer. Timeless and Rugged. The seat hanger pegs do look different at first glance however I believe them to be the same wood as the seat frames, just not varnished. The Sunrunner could handle any kind of weather. I am looking for some of the old fiberglass long decks. My wife loves the Camper because its initial stability is so good. I will let you know the number. Different materials match different needs, and Mad River makes the Explorer in T-Formex, Kevlar Fusion or Carbon. Theyve been in business for more than 100 years, and today they tailor their canoes to recreational paddlers. If you can measure your boat, I can look at the catalog and tell u what model. Pip. I hope your wife likes the color and I hope you share your impressions of the boat once youve spent some time in it. 3/4 . Also a Pathfinder which is 15 2" and looks well used - with cane seats that need replacement. by Paddle Power Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:19 pm, Post There are some design aspects that you might overlook in a photo that can drastically affect your paddling experience. 4/10 . With similarly nice weather the last few days I am really starting. One last twistThe '97 catalog has nice exploded assembly illustrations of the lay-ups and in simply looking at the boat I would think it most resembles the KH build for three reasons. Wenonah - Sundowner - 18 foot fiberglass (red) and looks to have an adjustable front seat. Could be good that you didn't find the green and white label Watco since that takes about a month or two to dryI've found the Teak Oil is a nice compromise and dries thoroughly in a day or two. The Journey 156 is a design thats at home wherever you paddle, offering a blend of sophistication and durability. Also, any other info you HIN geeks can provide would be awesome. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Scratches on the bottom but looks taken care of - asking $1,200. The Sunrunner was just a weird design that almost nobody likes, the Destiny is just blah when compared with the Northwind that Bell has, and the Sunrunner and Spirit that . Especially being a somewhat heavy boat when propping the nose on the ground to shoulder. Use the filters below to view the canoes by type, material, size or store. thx. You are using an out of date browser. If its lightly used as the ad says then its a great deal. Generally my son would carry that with the food pack and then we did a return trip for the main gear pack. Ultimately I would. Hey Micah, I suggest that you put some oil on the cane seats immediately. Canoe Mad River Explorer. I'll look for into some of the most recent dimension questions later this week and get back to every one. No wood rot. Congrats on your new boat! Your boat looks like new or maybe better. In reality the thing is a bit too pretty for me to drag across beaver dams or portage through downfall. 3/4 . If moving it around on land becomes too burdensome, youre likely to find something else to do. If youre ready to start shopping, follow the links below to view Mad River canoes in our Paddling Buyers Guide. The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. Looks like someone purchased it, polished and putting up for sale. Home run. Was stored in a gara Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (Lexington), Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (fairfield), 16' Mad River Explorer Canoe - $400 (WHIDBEY ISLAND). Its available in two sizes, 16.5 and 15.5 feet. I do not know what the "A" represents. About 67lbs. Theres a significant jump in quality between $600 canoes and ones from dedicated canoe builders. The upside is that a canoe will last a long time and lead you on adventures for years to come. A UV-resistant coating provides additional sunprotection. Recreational canoes are a great choice for new paddlers or those who value stability over speed. Canoes finished with wooden gunwales look great and are lighter than typical aluminum or vinyl combinations. They are comparable to other popular canoe companies, like Nova Craft or Esquif. Try as she might, shes never gotten comfortable with the traditional tippy canoe feeling, despite my explaining why that can actually be a good thing. The Explorer and the Malecite were their most popular and versatile tandem models. I bet he'd take $500. 3/4 . I'm not as well versed as some folks here are with Mad River canoes but on the whole, it looks like you have a nice canoe. My little Blackhawk tandem performs well even against modern hulls and I think your boat would just run away from my Blackhawk. Throughout the companys history, Mad River has introduced and phased out different canoe models. Raised none the less. These Mad River canoes are designed for recreational paddling and touring, and different material options land at differentprices. Around 1999 or 2000 the Coast Guard made Mad River change the way serial numbers were produced. Having the weight directly above the scale is more sensible. 3/8 . reserved. Its a model thats well suited for a specific niche, but that seems to be your niche. Unless youre prepared for a hefty shipping fee, be wary of buying large items like Mad River canoes off eBay or other international auction sites. Congrats! 1) The FC (Fiberglass Cloth) build does not show the floor being painted with "Protective Surface Paint" like all three of the Kevlar builds do. If you find a Mad River canoe not currently listed on its website, you can get more information about the model by looking through the companys archived catalogs. As we get older weight matters. This canoe is a one-owner, and has been garage kept. I may see one in person which is Mad River Explorer and they say dark green. How about personality? Thanks to you both on sharing your recipes for home-brew oil as will probably try this next round. Rob, Mad River Serial NumberThanks for the responses. $600 for the camper and $800 for the Discovery both say original owners. This may not always be possible, especially when buying a usedone. 2011. ButI can envision it with the seat components, thwart, & yoke matching the gunwales. Mad River Sunrunner - Kevlar with cane seats and wood gunwales and is a 1998. New listings: mad river canoe - $750 (GORE), 17 FOOT Mad River ME Solo Whitewater Canoe - $750 (Albuquerque) My first post here and the main reason for joining. However in doing the best I could given two household scales, I am coming up with about 61 lbs. It has bench seats and a symmetrical hull so that solo or tandem paddlers can paddle the Journey. I believe this will be lighter than the Old Town. Mad River Sunrunner. I agree with the comment that it would be worth adding regular webbed seats. That is, if I intend to do so. However waiting in their phone queue right now so maybe close to getting some answers?? by openboat Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:01 pm, Post On our most recent trip we did 120km/75mi in 6.5 days of moving. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe. You can find nearby dealers by using their dealer locator tool. in color. They are not as wide, meaning they wont have the same initial stability. There are three models most recently produced by Mad River: The Adventure, Journey andExplorer. No wood rot.17 feet 2 inch long, 33.5 inch gunwale width, 12.5 inch deep center, Bow/stern 19.5, 18.5, 1.75 inches of rocker. Canoe Mad River Explorer. Note the raised section does not follow the paint line however so not pointed ends like a football. The boat is Kevlar for sure. Interesting that craiglist postings are so hard to get a response from. I still don't know what to make of the camo pattern inside and out. I would be tempted to sand and oil the peg hangers and reuse them. Its very nice for flat/easy water. Just trying to decipher what wood the gunwales are was challenging as they don't look anything like ash to me. Kevlar Fusion and carbon are composite renditions of the Explorer. color: tan JavaScript is disabled. Mad Rivers archive list tells what years each of the models were produced but that only narrows down the options to the canoes manufactured in 1997(of which there are several) but doesnt get us to our specific model. The Journey has a minimal rocker, making it track (move straight) much better than the Explorer. New ash inwales/gunnels, decks, new webbed seats, buffed the hull. Maine-based Old Town is one of Americas original canoe manufacturers. Last week I did contact Confluence/MR tech support for PDFs of MR catalogs from '95 - 2000 as I already had the '94. Thanks Grumpus. Are you sure you are not missing a character in that HIN (hull identification number). You might invest in a can of Watco Teak Oil since you can also use it on the rest of the wood although your wood trim does not look desperate for attention. If I may say Id suggest that you just offer full asking price for the Bell if you can get it and its not too far. The best way to know if a canoe is right for you is to give it a try. Will probably get this thing detailed out and seaworthy this winter and sell it. No wood rot. Decked Canoes, Open Canoes, as long as they're canoes! 2) The floor just seems to have a "bubble" just like the foam core Kevlar builds show. If you are looking for a superior built, light-weight canoe, then take a look at at this Mad River 18' TW Special. No wood rot. Two atypical layover days not counted. . 4/13 . With that said and in regards to your comment Gumpus on the Watco taking forever to dry, everything is still quite tacky. A couple even older models show up - a 1980 vintage Pathfinder 15 (which seems to be the predecessor to the camper) - though I am unclear what the weight might be - Old Town Pathfinder Oltonar, and this cedar fiberglass from 1976 a Mansfield Stowe 15 foot - Mansfield Stowe - Seems like this company has been out of business since the late 1990s -. Mad Rivers Explorer in Kevlar Fusion or carbon are both good choices for paddlers who want a lightweight composite canoe. It also looks like perfect paddling weather today. Try (carefully) sitting in it while the canoe is resting on grass. Jim, Was just gifted a Mad River Revelation that is said to be a Kevlar boat Serial # is: MADRE690B797 (I guess Ill be calling it Madre) could anyone offer help with identification? 6,613 were here. Want to know more? 3/4 . I vote mad river. How would you spend your money for general use? When looking at a used canoe, check the wooden gunwales for any signs of cracking or rot. They are now up on the MRC website under archived catalogs. If youre eager to get on the water, then prepare to pay a bit more in the summertime. The serial number was put on the royalex hull using a black marker. Archived Catalogs. I bought it in '02. Prolonged UV exposure can cause canoes to warp or deform (thats not a reason to not paddle them on sunny days, however). boats. You probably have access to a number of other brands there in WI, but these brands you listed are some of the most common across the country (aside from Coleman and Pelican, which I wouldnt recommend for you), so youre likely to get good feedback. The following Mad River canoes have received the highest star ratings by reviewers in our Paddling Buyers Guide. I would imagine a well-built glass canoe such as this will not oil-can and am wondering if typical kevlar ultralights do? Plastic seats with aluminum struts between gunwales for seats (looks like the rivets for the seats go through the hull on the sides). Restoring a Mad River Malecite fiberglass canoe in my basement. Drove the 2 and half hours and picked it up. I was tempted because it looked like a good deal but already have a Bell Northwind 16rx that I set up for solo. MadRiver was trying to compete against Sawyer and Wenonah in the western half of the Minnesota to Maine canoe market. Learn more about Mad River canoes by checking out the reviews below. Awesome progress and enthusiasm Micah! Or maybe following a test run in the spring I'll decide to keep it since it is so darned cool??? Scratches on the bottom but looks taken care of - asking $1,200. Mad River Sunrunner Canoe My number is MAD 14635F000. I would like to get my hands on the stock end caps to see how they fit in considering your water-trap concern. 18 ft. Mad River "lamoille" kevlar canoe. Good luck with whatever model you select. No wood rot. I would also consider other manufacturers with wood gunwales if equal to the Explorer - Penobscot? If the humidity ever drops so the oil can completely dry, I hope to get it out on the water for a test drive yet this fall. Top picks: Best Mad River canoes for 2023, Alabama Mountain Lakes Tourist Association, The Great Canadian Kayak Challenge & Festival, Best Canoe Brands For Tripping, Whitewater, Fishing & More, Tripping Canoe Review: Mad River Expedition 176, Mad River Malecite Ultralite Canoe Review, Survive Just About Anything On Your Next Paddling Trip. account. Note, this will travel on the top of my Toyota FJ Cruiser. Like Mad River, they are extremely affordable. It might stand for an Airex foam core hybrid but that is only a guess. If youre keen on a solo canoe shorter than 12 feet or a canoe for less than $1,500, consider an Old Town. EDIT: The bathroom scale weight still presents a mystery. The flat bottom on the Camper makes it feel stable on calm water. Paddlesports participation is booming, driving the demand for outdoor equipment, whether its new or used. Also not knowing exactly how the different fabrics looked. At a minimum, pick the canoe up, and see how it feels to portage it. 17 ft Mad River Malecite double canoe (4 seats). I load my canoes onto a 4-Runner and I think your FJ is the same height so it might be a challenge for you two and especially for you alone when you want to go solo. I plan to dark stain the gunwales and decks and then Exterior Watco them unless they still make Gunwale Guard. This ID# is MADSR921C494. no hidden. ~wetzool. So Camper is perfect for ponds and small lakes and for fishing solo. A company representative reports that they hope to start making canoes again in 2023. The Sunrunner was one of a series of 17'2" touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. I cant comment on the last 2 boats. MadRiver was trying to compete against Sawyer and Wenonah in the western half of the Minnesota to Maine canoe market. Yes, definitely having fun with this current obsession. Thanks for the great help. I was able to contact the owner who is the original who purchased in 2004. Is that the measurement you meant? Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (fairfield) Mad River Sunrunner Canoe: Asking $1250.00 / Best OfferFiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. Instead got the bathroom scale out again and weighed myself and then me with shouldered canoe and did the math. I tried contacting MRC but havent gotten a reply yet (2 Weeks). The customer service guy is out for the next week so will need to wait a for some of the questions I had for him. No wood rot. Thank you for your consideration. The winters are long here and the state owes me a property tax refund so??? Youll find that Mad River canoes are more expensive than canoes found at big-box stores. Are we certain Airex was only used on kevlar or hybrid boats? I think they are around 55 pounds. Using 16-foot canoes as a baseline to compare, you can see the weight differences. Maybe you have insight on this? WIth that all said I am going to work towards lightening our overall load & try to get a handle on paddling efficiency gains with this boat vs the We-no-nah Boundary Waters Ultralight we took last as the trip is fresh in my mind. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Best, Does anybody know how to decipher mad river serial numbers? Can anyone break down how the numbers work so I can know the exact model, material, gunwales, date and color? $38.25. Your boat is stunning and you must be right about the ash as I paid attention to the weight of the yoke yesterday and too light to be oak. Timeless and Rugged. Both have a good reputation for durability. The '94 catalog speaks of them being available for the kevlar and fiberglass boats so I am thinking they would be form-fit to some degree?? Malecite KL 1993-2001 Sunrunner FG 1994-1997 Malecite Special Edition 2001 Sunrunner KE 1994-1996. In 95 they list the 44 lb Kevlar version as a "Kevlar PVC" but then in 96 the 44 pounder is listed as "Kevlar Lightwt". Given the information that the ID# of a kevlar boat should have a K also seems to point in the direction of fiberglass. Scored this on craigslist for free! The boat is 16 long. About 67lbsThe Sunrunner was one of a series of 17`2 touring hulls designed by Jim Henry in the 80s and 90s. People recognize this and increase the price of used boats when demand is high. by openboat Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:25 am, Post Recently picked this beauty up for a song and trying to find out more about it as I could locate only one post from the all-knowing google. Thanks. Thank you for the comments. I suspect the "KA" denotes a Kevlar/Airex Explorer model which MRC produced 1983-1995. Will look it over tonight & possibly post more if anything is notable. Wenona Sundowner is a nice model from a respected brand. In general, cane seats are not model specific they come long (wide) and you cut to fit. MadRiver was trying to compete against Sawyer and Wenonah in the western half of the Minnesota to Maine canoe market. Id suggest youd be best off with flat web/cane seats than molded uni-directional seats so you can paddle solo from the bow seat facing backwards to bring your solo paddler weight closer to the middle of the canoe. Thanks, Pip. 3/4 . Mad River Sunrunner Canoe - $1,250 (fairfield) Mad River Sunrunner Canoe: Asking $1250.00 / Best OfferFiberglass Hull with wood gunnels and cane seats, In good condition. Multiple emails sent as the way to contact in the ad - hope it isnt sold. If you come across an MRC for sale, email me the Ser # and I'll tell you everything I can (so long as it's a pre 2000 #). Light canoes are a beautiful thing. 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